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Will ClearOS work on the "new" B560 Chipset Motherboards with the 11th gen Intel CPU's? Or can there be any problems?

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Wednesday, April 14 2021, 12:49 AM
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    Thursday, June 24 2021, 08:30 PM - #Permalink
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    You may be able to turn ACPI offby adding acpi=off to the grub2 boot line. Test during a live boot by adding it to the boot line. If it works, you will have to add it to grub2.conf.

    Ignore svClient. It is a ClearOS thing.

    libxul.so errors are Firefox/gconsole.
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    Thursday, June 24 2021, 06:51 PM - #Permalink
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    I have found this Errors in messages:
    Server kernel: ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS01] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20130517/dswload-194)
    Server kernel: ACPI Error: [_SB_.PC00.RP02.PXSX] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20130517/dswload2-191)
    There are more of this, if you think that they are important I can copy them all.

    Server svClient[1133]: svClient: Error creating socket: bind

    Server kernel: Chrome_~dThread[1954]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f017270a92d sp 00007f016fc4fb00 error 6 in libxul.so[7f01721fb000+57f6000]
    There are also more of this Chrome error.
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    Flash wrote:

    In my case, that API message doesn't go away, it stays there forever and I can't go in the login box.

    Yesterday I did another new install to se if the crash would reappear and it didn't.

    But the API message thing was going this way:
    First time boot after install - I couldn't go to the login box, where you can set the network interfaces, I did a reboot with Ctrl + Alt + Del.

    Second time I could go to the login box, but the screen goes always black, when I moved the mouse cursor, around the cursor the image appeared but then after a few seconds again black, but I could somehow set the network interfaces (I moved the mouse around a lot :) ), so that the webconfig started to work.

    After the third reboot I couldn't get past the API message again...
    Did you have a look at any of the logs during all this to determine if any errors were showing themselves?

    My installation on an HP ML110 with an NVME worked fine once I'd deleted the NTFS partition on the disk (the installer wouldn't touch it). The initial console came up fine as it did subsequently, so I had nothing to troubleshoot.
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    Monday, June 21 2021, 01:41 PM - #Permalink
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    In my case, that API message doesn't go away, it stays there forever and I can't go in the login box.

    Yesterday I did another new install to se if the crash would reappear and it didn't.

    But the API message thing was going this way:
    First time boot after install - I couldn't go to the login box, where you can set the network interfaces, I did a reboot with Ctrl + Alt + Del.

    Second time I could go to the login box, but the screen goes always black, when I moved the mouse cursor, around the cursor the image appeared but then after a few seconds again black, but I could somehow set the network interfaces (I moved the mouse around a lot :) ), so that the webconfig started to work.

    After the third reboot I couldn't get past the API message again...
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    Sunday, June 20 2021, 06:35 PM - #Permalink
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    The time that the API message is visible is different and I'm not sure why. Sometimes I have very long row of dots and then its boots further. Also as you noted the inlog box is not always visible my experience is when the server has no IP address the screen is just white and has no inlog box.
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    Sunday, June 20 2021, 03:29 PM - #Permalink
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    Marcel van Leeuwen wrote:

    That API message is normal when ClearOS starting.
    Yes but it is supposed to go away again and you should then get the login box.
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    Sunday, June 20 2021, 02:12 PM - #Permalink
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    That API message is normal when ClearOS starting.
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 01:06 PM - #Permalink
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    It may be possible to bring gconsole up to the firefox-68 level if the patches at v61 apply cleanly to v68. I could have a look at that sometime. If they don't apply cleanly then I don't think I can do anything. After Ff-68 there were huge changes to the code. I think XUL was removed and the patches certainly don't work. I have tried in the past. I know in ClearOS we also have to block later updates to Ff as they are incompatible with gconsole based on Ff 61.
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 12:44 PM - #Permalink
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    Even then an update probably won't come. We do not produce kernels. We just use the upstream kernel from Centos untouched. I believe they use the RedHat kernel untouched as well.
    For any other issue there is a lack of developer resource.
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 12:18 PM - #Permalink
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    So, if I understand it right, unless ClearOS buys a B560 motherboard with 11th gen Intel CPU and test it for themself to see what's wrong, an update for this will not come?
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 09:32 AM - #Permalink
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    Not at all similar hardware. I am installing onto an HP ML110 and NVMe as a quick test of the NVMe which won't work in my PCIe x16 slot of my production server. I know from other reports there is often a white screen on a first install which goes after reboot, and I'd like to see if I can find anything. If anything untowards happens, I can have a look.
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 09:10 AM - #Permalink
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    So you are also doing an install on B560 chipset with 11th gen Intel CPU?
    Please let me know, if you have the same issue.
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    Saturday, June 19 2021, 08:39 AM - #Permalink
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    Thanks. I'll have a look on Monday when I do my installation.

    If it is libxul.so causing the segfault, it is coming from gconsole (not surprising really) and there is nothing that can be done unless we can get a developer to look at upgrading it and this may be a big task.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 10:55 PM - #Permalink
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    I found this error in messages: Server kernel: Chrome_~dThread[2167]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0da660a92d sp 00007f0da3b4fb00 error 6 in libxul.so[7f0da60fb000+57f6000]
    and it repeats a few times, but I don't know if this is where the system crashed. It only happened once in the latest 7.9 version and this only at first boot, if I remember correctly.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 09:31 PM - #Permalink
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    Don't use ftp as you'll land in the flexshares. Use the SFTP protocol (which connects on the ssh port) and you'll be able to browse the whole filesystem.

    I've no idea what to look for. Any errors, what was happening just before the crash and so on.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 09:04 PM - #Permalink
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    I'm trying to connect to ClearOS with WinSCP, but if I change the defaultRoot in /etc/proftpd.conf from "~" to "/", then I can see all the files on ClearOS, but most of them are access denied... What should I do?
    OK, never mind, I figured it out now, I connected as root not as user :D

    For what should I look?

    I'm also trying to setup an SFTP. Does ClearOS have an SFTP application?
    Can I share samba shares with SFTP?
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 08:22 PM - #Permalink
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    Go straight to the logs in /var/log with something like WinSCP. The Webconfig UI is not brilliant for panning through logs.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 08:05 PM - #Permalink
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    Release iso 7.7 didn't work for me. I used 7.9, which you posted in a different thread. The iso that you posted in this thread also didn't work (the marketplace didn't work).

    I can now reboot normally, and everything else works, for now ;) Just this Starting API... and no access to graphical part.

    What exactly should I write in the filter or search bar in logs?
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 07:08 PM - #Permalink
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    I am aware of the white screen after the first install. I'll be doing an install on Monday so I'll see if there is anything in the logs. Did you install the release iso (7.7) or the RC iso (7.9)

    The console, (gconsole) is a cut down version Firefox and it is a bit old and seriously in need of an update, but Firefox has seriously changed since our version of gconsole that it is not a simple case of applying the patches to the later code.

    I've no idea about the crashing and I've no idea what graphics drivers ClearOS uses.

    Similarly I have no idea about the hang at starting API.

    Is there anything in your logs (messages, boot, dmesg and system)? Where you get a crash, if you reboot successfully, you may have to look at the prior dmesg log to see the crash.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 06:18 PM - #Permalink
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    After the first boot, the system has gone to the "graphical console", where you can edit network interfaces, but after a few seconds it was all black screen and a message that Firefox is not responding. And a few times, the system also crashed... I'm attaching 2 pictures.
    But now, it won't go to the "graphical console" anymore, it only says "Starting API System...."
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 03:21 PM - #Permalink
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    I honestly don't know what the issue is. It is like it is not starting the initial text menu (which normally has the big red box)? Or is it when you select the Graphical console? There are issues here but I haven't a clue how to troubleshoot.
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    Friday, June 18 2021, 02:27 PM - #Permalink
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    After about 1.5 months of waiting for the motherboard that I wanted ;) to arrive to my country I finally Installed ClearOS 7.9.1 on the B560 chipset with 11th gen Intel CPU.
    But, I have an issue. After booting it always says "Starting API System...." Is this some king of bug? Or is this because of the new chipset? Or not supported GPU drivers?
    I can access ClearOS via the webconfig.
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    Friday, April 23 2021, 08:06 AM - #Permalink
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    Different strain of Linux, but there are some ideas there. If the installer won't run because of graphics issues, you could try it in text mode - see the documentation here. They also suggested a later kernel. You don't quite have that option, but you can use the kernel-ml packages from ElRepo, but only if the supplied kernel has problems.
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    Thursday, April 22 2021, 08:48 PM - #Permalink
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    I found this about B560: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=346412
    Can this also be done in ClearOS?
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    Tuesday, April 20 2021, 06:34 PM - #Permalink
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    Thank you for the link. I will try it, when I buy the motherboard and CPU, hopefully in a week ;)
    I still haven't decided if I should buy the B560 and 11th Gen, or the B460 and 10th Gen.
    I didn't get an answer from Redhat, if it supports B560, or when it will.
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    Tuesday, April 20 2021, 09:58 AM - #Permalink
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    There is a 7.9 iso now available for testing in https://mirrorlist.clearos.com/clearos/testing/7.9.1.325269/iso/x86_64/. (I originally posted this to the wrong thread)
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    Friday, April 16 2021, 06:54 PM - #Permalink
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    I wrote to Redhat and asked them if Redhat supports the new B560 chipset and 11th gen Intel CPUs.
    I also asked them if it doesn't support, if it will and when ;)
    I hope they will respond :)
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    Friday, April 16 2021, 10:03 AM - #Permalink
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    There is now a beta 7.9 iso but I don't know how to make it available for the moment.

    If it does not currently support a B560, I have no idea if it will come. That is completely up to Redhat as we use their kernel.
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 09:16 PM - #Permalink
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    Do you maybe know, if the ClearOS 7.9 iso won't install on the B560, will there be an "update" with version 7.9.1, or the 7.x version won't get the B560 support?
    Because, eventually, support for the B560 should come, or not?
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 07:13 PM - #Permalink
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    Flash wrote:

    Thank you Nick for the explanation.
    After reading all this, I don't know anymore, if I should buy the new B560 motherboard with 11th gen Intel... :(
    What do you think?

    Did you maybe ask the Clearcenter team regarding the ClearOS 7.9 iso? Maybe an approximate time? 1-2 weeks or more?
    I can't advise on the B560. It could be an expensive mistake or it could be fine.

    With respect to the iso, I am working on it but we are struggling with a space issue.
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 02:15 PM - #Permalink
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    Thank you Nick for the explanation.
    After reading all this, I don't know anymore, if I should buy the new B560 motherboard with 11th gen Intel... :(
    What do you think?

    Did you maybe ask the Clearcenter team regarding the ClearOS 7.9 iso? Maybe an approximate time? 1-2 weeks or more?
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 10:43 AM - #Permalink
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    No you don't understand correctly.
    If you install 7.7 in another machine then transplant the disk immediately, it is the same as installing on the B560.
    If you install 7.7 on another machine then perform a full update, it will update itself to 7.9. It may work on the B560.
    If you install 7.7 on another machine then install an Elrepo Kernel then transfer the disk to the B560, it will then have the latest available kernel and, from that perspective, should work but there are other issues that could go wrong with transferring a disk, and it is essential that you boot from either BIOS or UEFI on both machined and not one on one and the other on the other.

    Without knowing the PCI IDS or the NIC type, I can't say if ClearOS has the drivers. If it needs the r8125 driver you will need to get it from Elrepo again. Once you have ClearOS installed "lspci -knn | grep Eth -A 3" should identify it.
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 09:24 AM - #Permalink
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    Do I understand this correctly. If I install ClearOS 7.7 in another machine and then transplant the disk into the B560 machine it would definitely work? Or there is still a 50:50 chance?

    On more thing. The ASRock B560 Steel Legend and the Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE both have 2.5 Gbit Realtek LAN.
    Do you know if the kernel in 7.7 or 7.9 include this driver?
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    Thursday, April 15 2021, 08:28 AM - #Permalink
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    Note I've never stated whether 7.7 or 7.9 support the B560 chip. I don't know and I can't find any sensible links. Almost certainly 7.9 would work if you could install an ElRepo kernel into it. It may work with the stock kernel. The issue would be getting you to an installation with the ElRepo kernel. It may mean loading ClearOS onto another machine then transplanting the disk, or it may work out of the box.
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    Wednesday, April 14 2021, 10:00 PM - #Permalink
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    For example ASRock B560 Pro4.
    I only found this on Linux in the manual:

    Legacy USB Support
    Enable or disable Legacy OS Support for USB 2.0 devices. If you encounter USB
    compatibility issues it is recommended to disable legacy USB support. Select UEFI
    Setup Only to support USB devices under the UEFI setup and Windows/Linux
    operating systems only.

    Also the same for the ASRock B560 Steel Legend.

    Here are also some other motherboards that I'm considering: ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS, Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE, Gigabyte B560M D3H, Gigabyte B560 HD3

    For Gigabyte B560M D3H and B560 HD3 I found this:
    Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website.

    So, even the 7.9 version lacks support for the B560 chipset?
    Is there a 7.9.1 version in the works with B560 support? :)
    Or 8.0 with support of the old bandwidth manager? :) Yes, I know, wishful thinking :)
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    Yes it is possible. What is the exact m/b? You could try googling that instead.
    I tried building the 7.9 iso this morning but hit a couple of glitches so I don't know when it will be out. I've had to ask the Clearcenter team for help. Note that a 7.9 iso is not necessarily the panacea.
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    Wednesday, April 14 2021, 12:15 PM - #Permalink
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    So, if I buy the new B560 motherboard it could happen, that I won't be able to install ClearOS?
    Do you maybe know, when will the installation disk/iso for the ClearOS 7.9 be available?
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    Wednesday, April 14 2021, 08:00 AM - #Permalink
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    I can't find any useful information on it. Normally you can search for strings like "b560 centos", "b560 el7" and so on but I am not getting any sensible hits. Note that ClearOS is compatible with the Elrepo kernels and they are bleedin' edge so at least they should work. The issue may then be how to install ClearOS in the first place to be able to update the kernel. Also the current installation disk for ClearOS is 7.7. We have not yet produced one for 7.9.
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