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Is ClearOS still under active development? The Clear brand has changed quite a bit over the 15+ years I've used their software (ClarkConnect, then ClearOS.) The website and forums seem to be dwilding. Is ClearOS still a viable option for long-term personal and professional deployments?
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    Monday, September 26 2022, 06:03 PM - #Permalink
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    Jeff McFarlin wrote:

    No doubt. I want to say I think I've been using this product for maybe...18 years? Ever since it began. Just been super happy w/it, and if I don't have to give it up I really don't want to.

    Jeff


    I discovered it at ClearOS 5, a very good server which I decommissioned the last one earlier this year and took them to 7 on new hardware. Heck it was running fine on a Pentium III.
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    Nethserver8 looks promising.
    But i'll remain for the moment on COS7 until EOL or at least for the moment.
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    No doubt. I want to say I think I've been using this product for maybe...18 years? Ever since it began. Just been super happy w/it, and if I don't have to give it up I really don't want to.

    Jeff

    Wayland Sothcott wrote:

    Jeff McFarlin wrote:

    So what are people migrating to?

    Jeff


    If I really have to I'll build a Linux server, install all the services I need then stick Cockpit on as the front end. It's a bit like webmin only nicer.
    https://linuxhandbook.com/cockpit/

    45 Drives Houston is based on Cockpit.

    Whilst I'm at it I'll base it on ZFS, Debian can do that now.

    However if ClearOS get their act together it's by far the easiest solution for building your own server.
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    Jeff McFarlin wrote:

    So what are people migrating to?

    Jeff


    If I really have to I'll build a Linux server, install all the services I need then stick Cockpit on as the front end. It's a bit like webmin only nicer.
    https://linuxhandbook.com/cockpit/

    45 Drives Houston is based on Cockpit.

    Whilst I'm at it I'll base it on ZFS, Debian can do that now.

    However if ClearOS get their act together it's by far the easiest solution for building your own server.
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    jeff1965 wrote:

    Truenas looks pretty good. The other two appear to be geared for amd processors. Im running a dell server with dual intels.


    I don't think anything cares if you run Intel or AMD. ClearOS complains about running on RYZEN but it's fine in practice.
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    Monday, September 26 2022, 03:29 PM - #Permalink
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    So what are people migrating to?

    Jeff
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    PS, someone should chuck some more RAM in the forum server, it's always so slow and that's not due to the heavy traffic :p
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    Bryan Guidroz wrote:

    @michael,

    Should we expect ClearOS to continue as network gateway, file, print, mail, messaging services, and SBS platform as it has been in the past, or do you see it's future differently? Regardless what the future holds for Red Hat and CentOS, do you foresee ClearOS maintaining the basic functionality it currently has?

    Thanks,
    Bryan


    ClearOS does an amazing job of being an all in one server. It's hard to appreciate the value of this until you've done it the hard way and the ClearOS way. Personally I don't use the Internet Firewall side even though originally Clarke Connect started out that way. In those days I used Smoothwall. That led to Monowall which lead to pfSense which lead to opnSense but those are just firewalls.
    The other route might be TrueNAS but that's just a very nice file server with the ability to do Virtual Machines duck taped on the side.
    I don't see an easy to use server all round server like ClearOS. We used to do these things with Webmin but that's actually harder than editing the config files by hand.
    ClearOS has rather a lot of quirks and growing but I've still not found a replacement.

    I am using TrueNAS for my files at home which works very well but I have no DNS server, no VPN server, no MySQL server and no email server. Were I to implement them as VMs it would not be anywhere near as neat as ClearOS.

    I would say there is a big need for ClearOS but due to the Cloud services getting the big marketing people don't even know an in house server is an option. I read today that Uber had a hacker obtain all the admin passwords to all their cloud servers on AWS. A very good reason to run your own hardware on your own property.
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    John Jarrett wrote:

    Has anyone evaluated Zentyal? Or the Zentyal Community Edition?

    Seems to have everything needed or at least waht CLerOS has/had.

    https://zentyal.com/community/


    I used Zentyal years ago when evaluating ClearOS. I prefered ClearOS.
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    Wednesday, September 14 2022, 10:58 AM - #Permalink
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    Michael Proper wrote:

    Welcome to a New Year!,

    We are excited to reiterate that there will be both ClearOS Server Major and Minor updates as more understanding of IBM's future of Red Hat is determined and better understood. That said we had many discussions (both internally and externally) around the future direction for ClearOS Server with many development teams and organizations.

    Know the current ClearOS Server builds and updates are still viable and future ClearOS Server builds will have a future, it may not be as deep as prior ClearOS Server Major Releases and Minor Releases, however, ClearOS Server, is definitely a key part of the decentralized Digital Worlds future strategy (imaged) and squarely on the future Clear Companies Road Maps as many of the Clear Companies are some of the First Service Providers to the new decentralized Digital World.

    ClearOS Mobile will help securely connect (via ClearLIFE Decentralization - cryptographically (12 words)) to ClearOS Server nodes around the world.

    Thank you for continuing to support others as they utilize ClearOS Server over the years!

    The future is bright. United, we can do anything! :)


    @Michael,

    Can you post or share us an update about what is going on and what will be the way forward.
    Silince is killing and the mood of your customers is already not too good

    Appeciate a sign of life
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    Saturday, September 03 2022, 03:43 AM - #Permalink
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    More updates released for CentOS 7 that are definitely applicable to ClearOS 7, but none yet for ClearOS.

    It is way past time, Michael Proper, you did the "proper" thing and provided at least this type of very basic support and similar for ClearOS 7. Or are you entirely comfortable letting ClearOS users systems become increasingly vulnerable to being compromised? Couldn't care less? If not, why?
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    Do yourselves a favour people and check out opnSense. More robust, more features, more frequent updates.
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    Bryan Guidroz wrote:

    First, I ended up choosing to extend my subscription with ClearOS for one more year because I haven't found an alternative and worked all the details out yet. But, I've made good progress.

    At first, I was looking at NethServer, but, it seems to have similar issues as ClearOS. I got a bad vibe after looking at it for a bit. I may be wrong, but just didn't sit well with me related to support and the like.

    So, for everything except the firewall, TrueNAS has really impressed me. I've been playing around with the free version and, after following some guides, looks like it can handle all my nextcloud, OpenVPN, etc. needs. Once you understand how it works, it's actually pretty straight forward and very impressive. On my small test setup, I'm running 3 VM's and a nextCloud instance without any issues. I didn't understand how it worked at first, but googled for some "step by step" guides and it all made sense.

    I'll have to run the firewall on a seperate machine (or maybe a VM in TrueNAS if I can figure that out... not even sure if possible.) But, so far, OPNsense is looking really good. Next would be pfSense. Those are the two I'm going to look at first.

    I'm going to always keep my eye on ClearOS. I loved this platform. They did such a great job with everything. If they can get their stuff together, I'll switch back right away. But until then, looks like it's time for something new.

    Hope this helps.

    Bryan


    May I ask what exactly puts you off in NethServer? Did you check out the 8th version?
    I'm on the brink pulling the plug on this OS for my customers. Very interested in your insight.
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    Monday, August 29 2022, 05:04 AM - #Permalink
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    Has anyone evaluated Zentyal? Or the Zentyal Community Edition?

    Seems to have everything needed or at least waht CLerOS has/had.

    https://zentyal.com/community/
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    Sunday, August 28 2022, 09:06 PM - #Permalink
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    Truenas looks pretty good. The other two appear to be geared for amd processors. Im running a dell server with dual intels.
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    The truenas looks good. The other two appear to only be made around amd processors Im running dell server with dual intels.
    Bryan Guidroz wrote:

    First, I ended up choosing to extend my subscription with ClearOS for one more year because I haven't found an alternative and worked all the details out yet. But, I've made good progress.

    At first, I was looking at NethServer, but, it seems to have similar issues as ClearOS. I got a bad vibe after looking at it for a bit. I may be wrong, but just didn't sit well with me related to support and the like.

    So, for everything except the firewall, TrueNAS has really impressed me. I've been playing around with the free version and, after following some guides, looks like it can handle all my nextcloud, OpenVPN, etc. needs. Once you understand how it works, it's actually pretty straight forward and very impressive. On my small test setup, I'm running 3 VM's and a nextCloud instance without any issues. I didn't understand how it worked at first, but googled for some "step by step" guides and it all made sense.

    I'll have to run the firewall on a seperate machine (or maybe a VM in TrueNAS if I can figure that out... not even sure if possible.) But, so far, OPNsense is looking really good. Next would be pfSense. Those are the two I'm going to look at first.

    I'm going to always keep my eye on ClearOS. I loved this platform. They did such a great job with everything. If they can get their stuff together, I'll switch back right away. But until then, looks like it's time for something new.

    Hope this helps.

    Bryan
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    Sunday, August 28 2022, 08:19 PM - #Permalink
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    First, I ended up choosing to extend my subscription with ClearOS for one more year because I haven't found an alternative and worked all the details out yet. But, I've made good progress.

    At first, I was looking at NethServer, but, it seems to have similar issues as ClearOS. I got a bad vibe after looking at it for a bit. I may be wrong, but just didn't sit well with me related to support and the like.

    So, for everything except the firewall, TrueNAS has really impressed me. I've been playing around with the free version and, after following some guides, looks like it can handle all my nextcloud, OpenVPN, etc. needs. Once you understand how it works, it's actually pretty straight forward and very impressive. On my small test setup, I'm running 3 VM's and a nextCloud instance without any issues. I didn't understand how it worked at first, but googled for some "step by step" guides and it all made sense.

    I'll have to run the firewall on a seperate machine (or maybe a VM in TrueNAS if I can figure that out... not even sure if possible.) But, so far, OPNsense is looking really good. Next would be pfSense. Those are the two I'm going to look at first.

    I'm going to always keep my eye on ClearOS. I loved this platform. They did such a great job with everything. If they can get their stuff together, I'll switch back right away. But until then, looks like it's time for something new.

    Hope this helps.

    Bryan
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    Sunday, August 28 2022, 05:30 PM - #Permalink
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    Bryan Guidroz wrote:

    Just got a notification that my subscription expires in 30 days. I doubt I'll be renewing. I think this is the end of my 15+ year relationship ClearOS. Time to find an alternative. It's been fun.
    What other software platforms like Clear are out there?
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    Sunday, August 28 2022, 05:29 PM - #Permalink
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    This is really sad. Ive been with this software since the clarkconnect beginning.
    What other platforms are out there like this?
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    Wednesday, August 24 2022, 01:30 AM - #Permalink
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    See Click Here - More ClearOS failures
    ClearOS is not being maintained despite Michael Proper pronouncing "Know the current ClearOS Server builds and updates are still viable" etc. Currently they are not Period

    Edit: Doubt that Nick was being paid a king's ransom - makes one wonder whether ClearOS is going bankrupt, or at the very least now in financial difficulties?
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    True!
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    Marcel van Leeuwen wrote:

    I’m not sure about the future of ClearOS. I know it is not they end for ClearOS, but what to expect from new versions.., or the current version I’m not sure.


    What is way more important, is that they apparently think it is OK to say, "The future is bright. United, we can do anything!" And at the same time just stop handeling supporttickets. Hoping nobody would notice?
    That is like paying for gas upfront, and the gasstation shrugging their shoulders and downright not giving you the gas. And the gas station attendant saying. Sorry they won't pay me. I'm out (Nick, just to be clear, I admire that you are still active on the forum despite your hands being tied.)
    I really needed support this spring. I never gave the future of COS a thought. Just figuring support would be there if I needed it. I feel screwed over that only then I found nobody was being payed to help those paying customers out. Even if by some miracle COS 8 is a blast, why would I pay a company that is willing to just stop support for wich I pay up front without even having the decency to keep us informed.
    Just send everyone a heads-up that COS is not going to be supported anymore. If that had been the case, I myself would have been the dumbass not migrating to an other solution.

    Instead we get a subscription renewal notice like everything is still rolling.
    A shallow post about the bright future.
    And the promise to give an update soon ("soon" clearly isn't within 8 months).

    I loved the product when it was still called Clarkconnect 1.0
    We lived throught the times the first stable ClearOS versions could feel like a Beta because support would always be on top of it. 6.x and 7.x felt really mature most of the times. Sad how this saga ends, for me at least.
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    Tuesday, August 23 2022, 10:39 AM - #Permalink
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    I’m not sure about the future of ClearOS. I know it is not they end for ClearOS, but what to expect from new versions.., or the current version I’m not sure.
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    Tuesday, August 23 2022, 10:04 AM - #Permalink
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    Marcel van Leeuwen wrote:

    Like Michael said in the reply it is not over for ClearOS...

    His reply is from more then a half year ago. Nothing else since. Nick was let go, with nobody to reply on tickets and posts. At least two people that I know of needed that support during the times nobody was doing support. Nick was hired back. This month he is not anymore.
    Right now a paying customer needs report, but doesn't get it.
    It might not be over, but I'm slowly bringing my business to others. I would not be taking my customers seriously, leaving them with a platform (which I really like) that doesn't know what they are doing.
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    It is indeed unfortunate that things have been quiet on the ClearOS side for a while.
    Basically ClearOS is a good package and it has been running very stable for me for a few years now.
    The lack in my opinion is the communication from the management.
    I certainly see a future for ClearOS, but then there will be clear and frequent communication.
    Currently it is very quiet on all fronts and there have been no major updates or developments for years.
    Now that Nick no longer provides support and sometimes posts a few messages, it seems to be completly dead.

    In my opinion the ball is in Michael's court and he will have to pull the cart in a visible way.
    @Michael. Please comminicate to your customers (not with a general sales story.....)
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    Monday, August 22 2022, 06:48 PM - #Permalink
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    Like Michael said in the reply it is not over for ClearOS...
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    Bryan Guidroz wrote:

    Just got a notification that my subscription expires in 30 days. I doubt I'll be renewing. I think this is the end of my 15+ year relationship ClearOS. Time to find an alternative. It's been fun.

    With no one reading support tickets, why would you. It's really sad. I can't understand why they let this platform slip.
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    Just got a notification that my subscription expires in 30 days. I doubt I'll be renewing. I think this is the end of my 15+ year relationship ClearOS. Time to find an alternative. It's been fun.
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    Gotta give props where props are due. ClearOS gets mentioned on the Joe Rogan podcast on 3/15/22. Daryl Davis & Bill Ottman discussing Minds social platform, privacy, deplatforming, free speech, etc. Great podcast. ClearOS mentioned around 45 - 47 minutes in. Related to ClearOS phone and privacy. Brief mention, but wanted to share. And as Joe held the ClearOS phone, he said said "ooo that's pretty"... win for ClearOS. :)

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/2hM2E1WkW2QBJQV7T5ikwb
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    Sunday, March 13 2022, 11:47 PM - #Permalink
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    @michael,

    Should we expect ClearOS to continue as network gateway, file, print, mail, messaging services, and SBS platform as it has been in the past, or do you see it's future differently? Regardless what the future holds for Red Hat and CentOS, do you foresee ClearOS maintaining the basic functionality it currently has?

    Thanks,
    Bryan
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    Saturday, February 05 2022, 06:34 PM - #Permalink
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    I too have the same questions as Patrick.

    Please see my post at:

    What is the future of ClearOS
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    @michael,

    Since Nick has annouched to leave Clear, can you maybe let us know the way forward.
    There was already a lack of communication with regards to COS and the forum, update or any support support was all handled by Nick
    Does this mean COS is EOL ?
    Will the be a replacement for Nick
    How are the update and support be handled

    I appreciate if you can reply and give us some positive news
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    Late to the party...

    Thank you for the update Michael. What do you exactly mean with

    will have a future, it may not be as deep as prior ClearOS Server Major Releases and Minor Releases


    Wil ClearOS 8 still be a compleet gateway, firewall and server OS? So I can assume that ClearOS 8 will be CentOS based. What framework is ClearOS 8 going to use?

    The ClearOS product page and the forums indeed needs an update. Good to know it will be updated.

    Michael, looking forward to a reply.
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    I only semi-agree. The community was already tailing off three years ago and this has been a feature of many forums. In ClearOS's case it is clearly exacerbated by lack of development, but I can't do anything about it. I have done my best to fix bugs and do small bits of development but it could have done with a lot more work. Now, if resources are made available, I personally think they would do better to add more sticky plasters to 7.x and get cracking with the next version.

    FWIW, Dave left over 2 years ago.
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    Nick Howitt wrote:
    If they ask fewer questions or become less involved, there is little we can do about it unfortunately.


    That's just silly. When you abandon all progress, and can't expect the community to stay active.
    I've sent Dave and Tyler an email to ask the same question a couple of weeks back. No reply.
    We had a nice back and forth about some low hanging fruits from a user perspective 2 years ago.
    But after that, never heard back. And no new versions since.
    I also was starting to worry.
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    Thanks for the update Michael. It reassuring to hear that you all plan to keep ClearOS active. There are so many outdates pages on the www.clearos.com site, it gives the appearance the project has been abandoned. It may be worthwhile to remove the outdated content and lighten the site up. Make it a smaller, simpler site to manage. Thanks again.
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    • Michael Proper
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      Bryan, Totally agree with all of your recommendations and we will plan to lighten and tighten thewww.clearos.com site, content, and products as the next generation of ClearOS Server matures. Appreciate your kind words and support. :)

      --- Less Is More ---
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    Michael Proper wrote:
    We are excited to reiterate that there will be both ClearOS Server Major and Minor updates as more understanding of IBM's future of Red Hat is determined and better understood. That said we had many discussions (both internally and externally) around the future direction for ClearOS Server with many development teams and organizations.

    Know the current ClearOS Server builds and updates are still viable and future ClearOS Server builds will have a future, it may not be as deep as prior ClearOS Server Major Releases and Minor Releases, however, ClearOS Server, is definitely a key part of the decentralized Digital Worlds future strategy (imaged) and squarely on the future Clear Companies Road Maps as many of the Clear Companies are some of the First Service Providers to the new decentralized Digital World.

    Michael, you are the master politician! Just change the subject and this is identical to what we get from the elected leaders here - all promises and talk.

    For example, what happened to the promise of a better community web-site? For years we have endured this slow, unreliable, clunky web-site. Some time ago it was totally unusable for weeks.

    I fear there will be a last minute rush to produce something, just before end-of-life of CentOS 7, that is rushed and buggy. By the way I see nothing new in your links that wasn't there before this latest post of yours.

    Disappointed by your statement.
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      I will not defend my post or comment on your negativity, you are welcome to find another distro that fits your aspirations better.

      Best of luck.
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    Welcome to a New Year!,

    We are excited to reiterate that there will be both ClearOS Server Major and Minor updates as more understanding of IBM's future of Red Hat is determined and better understood. That said we had many discussions (both internally and externally) around the future direction for ClearOS Server with many development teams and organizations.

    Know the current ClearOS Server builds and updates are still viable and future ClearOS Server builds will have a future, it may not be as deep as prior ClearOS Server Major Releases and Minor Releases, however, ClearOS Server, is definitely a key part of the decentralized Digital Worlds future strategy (imaged) and squarely on the future Clear Companies Road Maps as many of the Clear Companies are some of the First Service Providers to the new decentralized Digital World.

    ClearOS Mobile will help securely connect (via ClearLIFE Decentralization - cryptographically (12 words)) to ClearOS Server nodes around the world.

    Thank you for continuing to support others as they utilize ClearOS Server over the years!

    The future is bright. United, we can do anything! :)

    Learn more about the different versions of ClearOS here:
    www.clearos.com
    www.clearos.app


    Learn more about the related Clear Companies here:
    www.clearcenter.com
    www.clearcellular.org


    Learn more about the short term strategy here:
    www.clear.co.com

    Lear more about the long term strategy here:
    www.digitalworld.earth
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    It is still viable but all recent attention has been around the Decentralised world. The forum itself needs replacing, but posting to the forum is up to the Community. If they ask fewer questions or become less involved, there is little we can do about it unfortunately.

    Michael proper, the CEO, has promised to post this week.
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