herballizard wrote:

Use clear core or a modified cut there of as a base os apply the marketplace then have the version selection with its respective repo's branding etc pulled down from the marketplace.

Yup, that option was discussed but we decided to have the different ISOs.

I am also keen to put my hand up for testing and maybe even a mirror

We're always looking for testers - dive right in! As for the mirror, I think David Loper is organizing things on that front.

I was thinking this morning, although its a bit late in the game now. With the changes of name why not implement the following

Use clear core or a modified cut there of as a base os apply the marketplace then have the version selection with its respective repo's branding etc pulled down from the marketplace.

Thoughts?

I am also keen to put my hand up for testing and maybe even a mirror

Running a sole prodution server at home and not being much in the way of developing or hacking i can't help that way. Being reasonably proficient in formulating effective English, I would be happy to do something on writing - especially if it were to be in a font size I can actually read.

Peter

The usual suspects - testers, writers, developers, hackers. We really want to have enough ooomph on that first release.

Peter Baldwin wrote:

We are actively looking for volunteers to get something going.

what would you be looking for from volunteers? I might be interested (i.e. able) to help!

I think you can count me in as a volunteer!

I'll also add that the infrastructure and workflow is now all in place for building a new edition. All the heavy lifting was done over the last few weeks to bring together Community and Professional. Adding another "spin" is now a fairly simple tasks.

Hi Scott,

It doesn't help that we're smack dab in the middle of updating the web site to reflect the two Editions. There are still some old references floating around.

Anyway, the Community Edition is certainly a good option for home environments - the price is certainly right! As for the timeline for a dedicated Home Edition? We don't have one. We are actively looking for volunteers to get something going. We don't want to release the Home Edition and have it sit there unmaintained. All the logo and branding is done (for all intents and purposes) and ClearCenter's CEO is keen. What's missing is a core set of volunteers to make it go!

Is there a timeline for the home product?

I am currently researching ClearOS for usage in my home network and I am a little bit confused by the different versions / options available.

That's our fault, not yours! I'm really looking forward to getting this release out the door so that we can get back to normal.

Hi Peter, sorry no intentional delay on my part, i'll drop you a PM to get things rolling again

Marcel van Leeuwen wrote:

Is it possible to upgrade packages with the new build system?

Yes! I sent an e-mail to Tim many many weeks ago to start the process of getting one of his RPMs/apps migrated to the build system. We were going take that experience to build out the remaining documentation and workflow processes. Most of this is already done @ http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/developer/packaging/start -- we just need to refresh the docs.

The plan kind of fizzled out, but we'll revive it soon. My main focus is getting this release out the door of course :-)

Some times you lose sight of ClearOS being a SBS solution but now splitting ClearOS in multiply editions i can't wait to see what the future has in store for us.

Of course I have customized my ClearOS 5.2 server with all kind of home stuff but sometimes it's difficult to install because of the aging system (old linux kernel and packages). This is understandable for a enterprise server but what can we expect with the community / home edition. Is it possible to upgrade packages with the new build system?

Hi Marcel,

In 5.x, we can't roll Transmission, media servers and other non-business stuff into the web-based installer. We don't want those things showing up in business settings of course. By splitting into multiple editions, that giant roadblock is now gone :-)

Not to hijack the thread, but there's a Howto on Time Machine @ http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/howtos/time_machine Many team members in Utah depend on it, so I'm guessing that it works.

The development road of ClearOS 6.2 is long (what i fully understand). So i really hoping this year for some apps for home users. Personally i like to see support for Apple devices. Like AFP, Timemachine, etc.

Nice that Zarafa also will be available for the community edition!

Hi Tim,

Yes, Zarafa Community will be available along with Zarafa Small Business. It's going to lag the 6 release a little bit since there's a bit of chicken/egg with respect to whole Zarafa ecosystem (aligning all the business/subscription stuff with the technology bits). The Zarafa libraries (mostly your code!) and LDAP extension are sitting in SVN... I just need to light it up again.

Thanks Ben! Very helpful :-)

Hi Tim,

Pete's busy busting out stuff for Shad tomorrow to try and get a beta3 out next week...I can answer some of your questions till he surfaces.

Do you think you will wait for development of enough "Home"/Community apps before releasing a Home 'image'?

Ya...until there's some apps specifically targeted towards the Home, there's not much sense. The way I see things moving towards is that the Community Edition will be more of a generic, all round version, with specific builds like Home having apps targeted towards that segment in addition to changes to common apps (ie. think changing language to be less techie...hiding features that a home user would never use etc.).

How do you see the 'support / non supported' business model working through the Market place? A system using tokens similar to your own? or its limited only by our imagination?

That's interesting that you ask that...its one of the reasons behind the changes to support and the launch of the Pro edition...we (ClearCenter) couldn't provide support for a $10 app (pulling #'s out of thin air) to someone using the free Enterprise Edition. This is an option now that we will have the Pro edition as an option to people.

Ultimately, we'll have to flexible enough so that support can be provided by the app 'vendor', ClearCenter, a community, a combination of any of the three. If the vendor provides support for an app, the pricing will reflect that 'built in' cost, just as we're doing with the Pro version. If the vendor wants nothing to do with supporting an app, and ClearCenter chooses to take on this task (i.e. it is an app in ClearCenter's core target market), the natural course of action would be to add the app to the Professional segment of the Marketplace where a Pro subscription is required. If neither vendor or ClearCenter want/can support the app, my feeling is it has to go in as free, be noted as unsupported, and left to the community.

Does releasing apps via the Martket place tie a deveoper into a particular licensing system? Is there a business model for open source paid apps without providing some other service or support?...i.e the possibility that someone redistributes your freely available source code for less?

The developer does have to choose a license, but we don't force one on you....so, it can be GPL'd, LPLD'd, proprietary...anything...as long as the licensing doesn't conflict with with any libraries or source code used in the app. For example, obviously, one can't grab Concrete5's source code, package it up, slap a webconfig page on it, an sell it in our Marketplace under a proprietary license.

As for 'redistributing your freely available source code for less....your next question will answer that, I think.

Following on from that will the marketplace be vetted (like Apple) or free for all (like Android)?

For the time being, ClearCenter will vet all apps entering the Marketplace for security, quality and, I suppose policing (although I hope this won't be too common, if ever, an occurrence).

I'm not too sure what's going on with Zarafa...Pete's been working on that and Mike has been in contact with the Zarafa management team.

Finally...I know just enough to be dangerous with the new build system...as a '3rd party' developer, there will still be parts that need 'human intervention'...but we'll work towards automation in the next 12 - 18 months and certainly get 'development to Marketplace' more streamlined.

And yes...more documentation to come regarding becoming a vendor in the Marketplace...high priority on my list once we get 6 out.

Ben

Hi Peter,

Sounds good! a couple of questions (sorry a few more than I originally had in mind!):-

Do you think you will wait for development of enough "Home"/Community apps before releasing a Home 'image'?

How do you see the 'support / non supported' business model working through the Market place? A system using tokens similar to your own? or its limited only by our imagination?

Does releasing apps via the Martket place tie a deveoper into a particular licensing system? Is there a business model for open source paid apps without providing some other service or support?...i.e the possibility that someone redistributes your freely available source code for less?

Following on from that will the marketplace be vetted (like Apple) or free for all (like Android)?

I note Zarafa Small Business gets a mention for the Professional version - do you intend to provide the Zarafa Community edition for ClearOS Community edition? (I'm also keen to provide an upgrade path for users on 5.2...)

Do you have a timescale on when the build system will be available, or will this conincide with the Martketplace release documentation?

Thanks! looking forward to 2012

p,s Gallery3 is very much alive for 5.2 over here
http://www.clearfoundation.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,232/catid,40/func,view/id,12080/