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Hello all,

I'm in the process of upgrading my old Clearos5.2 system (it's still going strong). seems like the mail system has changed quite a bit, looks like I need to pay for Zarafa. If I pay for the Zarafa community app, what happens after a year? If my subscription has expired, can I still use the system, access my data and not be able to get updates, or will I be locked out of my mail system until I have paid for another subscription?

Many thanks
Bob
Thursday, December 24 2015, 07:29 PM
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    Tuesday, December 29 2015, 09:46 AM - #Permalink
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    Ben Chambers wrote:

    Please can you confirm that Roundcube and Zarafa will still allow me to access my email after the subscription has expired.


    Confirmed...As of now, we don't do anything to enforce 'fair play'...I think we'd all be better off having developers work on new features and apps in lieu of spending time writing code to try enforcing licensing.

    B


    Thanks for confirming this also, ideally we really only wanted the zarafa app for the initial install and set up and just the app features like setting quotas and adding users to zarafa. Personally all I really want is just the app interface we usually upgrade zarafa on our own as we're resellers for zarafa and upgrade the packages manually as stable versions are released so it's good to hear that if we stop the subscription it won't cease to work so to speak so thank you for clarifying this.

    I know I would be a very small case scenario but I wouldn't mind having an option to pay a one off fee for the zarafa app on webconfig and initial install itself without getting future release updates etc
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    Tuesday, December 29 2015, 02:50 AM - #Permalink
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    Zarafa supplies its own POP/IMAP solution.
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    Sunday, December 27 2015, 05:17 PM - #Permalink
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    Thank you for confirming that. I would hate to be in the situation where i must pay to access my own data once my subscription had run out. So long as my data is mine and I am not charged for accessing it in the future then I'm happy.

    Regards
    Bob
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    Sunday, December 27 2015, 04:45 PM - #Permalink
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    Please can you confirm that Roundcube and Zarafa will still allow me to access my email after the subscription has expired.


    Confirmed...As of now, we don't do anything to enforce 'fair play'...I think we'd all be better off having developers work on new features and apps in lieu of spending time writing code to try enforcing licensing.

    B
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    Sunday, December 27 2015, 08:53 AM - #Permalink
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    Hi Ben, thank you for your comment. I have no problem paying for software, I'm used to paying redmond for their productivity suite! Please can you confirm that Roundcube and Zarafa will still allow me to access my email after the subscription has expired.

    Thanks
    Bob
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    Sunday, December 27 2015, 12:50 AM - #Permalink
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    Hi All,

    The apps that are paid (subscriptions) won't stop working unless there is a cloud-component (eg. blacklists, IDS signatures etc.).

    The switch from one-time to subscription was based on a realization from developers both internal and 3rd party that it is constant work to keep a app current. Just migrating from 6.x to 7.x framework took some apps like Zarafa, Roundcube or Owncloud dozens of hours to convert, QC and deploy. Ideally, we'd have the numbers to justify $10 apps, but in reality, we're so much smaller a platform we just couldn't make it work. Crickey...a user asking for a refund on a $10 app or transferring it from a 6.x to 7.x put us in the red in terms of value received and time required.

    Maybe one day, one-time apps will return.

    B
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    Saturday, December 26 2015, 10:20 PM - #Permalink
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    Nick, thanks for your postings. I have Roundcube installed (it's filling the logs with IMAP authentication errors, but I'll post about that on the clearos / roundcube forum) and can see it's just a web interface on to the IMAP folders. I hope someone can comment about Zarafa.

    regards
    Bob
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    Saturday, December 26 2015, 08:42 PM - #Permalink
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    I speak with much more knowledge about Roundcube than Zarafa as I use Roundcube and wrote a Howto before it became a paid app.

    I think Zarafa and Roundcube are completely different in concept. Zarafa supplies its own POP/IMAP solution as well as Webmail, calendars and so on. Roundcube is just a web front end for (among other apps) cyrus-imap and can also integrate with postfix for sending.

    If you lose any Roundcube functionality when your subscription expires, it should be pretty straightforward to reconfigure it in a similar way to my how-to. All your mail remains in the cyrus-imap environment. Roundcube is just a way of looking at it. At the same time as I wrote my Howto, there were two other Howto's written for Squirrelmail and Hastymail. You can even run all three in parallel and they are all free. I would suspect with Roundcube, all you will lose is the Webconfig front end which you'll rarely use. I don't think you could consider Roundcube as ransomware as you will always be able to get to your mail.

    Someone else will need to comment on Zarafa as I think it holds its mail in its own environment so accessing it from elsewhere may be more difficult.
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    Saturday, December 26 2015, 08:24 PM - #Permalink
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    I need some form of web mail access. I might only have 4 users, but we have lots of devices and so web mail works best. I don't mind paying for an app, but I do mind installing ransom ware that will lock me out of my data if I don't pay a fee (sorry, I'm not trying to be rude). So if I pay for a 1yr subscription to Roundcube or Zarafa, what happens after a year?

    thanks
    Bob
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    Saturday, December 26 2015, 07:49 AM - #Permalink
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    I did not realise Roundcube had switched to an annual subscription as well. I'll need to check. I also have no idea what will happen when the subscription ends.

    If you don't need Wemail (just POP and IMAP) then you can still use Cyrus for free. Also you can still install roundcube and manually set up up. It is not too difficult and someone has just done it recently on the forums. I did it when 6.x first came out and made a HowTo on the forum. The instructions have change slightly as the file config files have combined and the location has changed from 0.9.x -> 1.x.

    If you pay for Roundcube it will use system-mysql instead of mysql for its database and it comes with sieve filtering (mail rules) built. It may also have a couple of other options preconfigured (spell check?) but I can't remember. It is up to you.
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    Thursday, December 24 2015, 11:01 PM - #Permalink
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    Hi Nick, thanks for the reply. I had seen Roundcube, but it's also a paid app on a YEARLY basis. I recall Zarafa and Roundcube used to be a one off fee. So my question is still "if I pay for a mail system (roundcube / zarafa) what happens when the subscription expires"?

    Merry Christmas...

    Bob.
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    Thursday, December 24 2015, 08:19 PM - #Permalink
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    You don't necessarily need Zarafa. It depends on what you want the mail system to do. There is also Cyrus option for POP/IMAP with Roundcube for webmail. Zarafa, I think, can do calendars and has an Outlook connector as well (though I don't know how long the Outlook connector is going to be available for).
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