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  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Nick I think you are correct miniUPnP even if it is part of the UPnP Protocol Stack is more involved at the end of the Stack, if port forwarding is required by the device/appliance i.e. TV, receiver, etc...The second issue that I was having has more to do with the Simple Service Discovery Protocol even if SSDP was incorporated in the UPnP Protocol Stack not really related to miniUPnp tasks. In retrospect I confused the two different actions and I should probably have created a second forum entry for my second question.

    But all is good with your help I was able to confine miniUPnP port forwarding to the interface of my choice, which is what I wanted. The second issue was to limit the access to my Standalone Server to port 8060 acting as an Emulated Roku device. I think I got that resolved by adding the following two custom rules.

    I wish to apologize for the confusion with the interfaces. The interface: ens224 belongs to the Gateway Server HotLan, where the above interface: ens192 belongs to the Standalone server running the emulated Roku device. The first rule is to open the discovery process to the Harmony Hub, this is a standard SSDP process required for the discovery of devices. The second rule is for allowing the Harmony Hub access to the Emulated Roku Device.

    For the audience that is wondering how can ClearOS become a Roku device? Well in this particular case it does for my Harmony Hub. The Harmony Remote activities sees the server as a Roku device and triggers Home Assistant events such as controlling lights, motorized curtains, etc... running on the same Standalone ClearOS server.

    Thank you again to Nick for all the help.

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Nick Howitt wrote:

    As far as I am aware, uPnP does not feature in this. I think MiniuPnP's role is to just map external port forwards automatically. I don't know how device discovery works for other devices.

    Interesting, I thought it also allowed the devices on your home network to discover each other and access certain services. Thanks for your help in all of this, if I find additional information I will chime in.

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Nick Howitt wrote:

    Good catch with the loop.

    I am lost with the other. Where are the Roku emulator and Harmony Hub (IP's and interfaces)? Have you thought of some packet sniffing with tcpdump?


    I agree a little confusing let me try again. For the interface that one is easy, it is all happening on the same my HotLAN: ens224.

    The Roku Emulator is the ClearOS Server it run on IP: 192.168.4.26 port 8060 can be accessed with or without the firewall enable via the browser:


    The Harmony Hub sits on IP: 192.168.4.205

    The Harmony Hub can be asked to discover all appliances and with the help of UPNP it seems to find all the appliances T:V, Receiver etc including the above Emulated Roku 4 on Server 192.168.4.26 when the firewall is disabled. If the firewall is enable all the appliances are found except for the Emulated Roku.

    Never used tcpdump, if I can not find the above issue might be a good solution, thanks for the suggestion

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Hello Nick,

    I know why it worked and I feel kind of dumb. The LAN loop has no effect on the CUSTOM loop, not exactly my best coding...



    The log:



    In regards to the firewall I used the ClearOS Incoming Firewall configuration before tightening even more the rule set by using a custom rule:


    But that does not seem to help my Harmony Hub find the emulated Roku appliance. I will have to do more testing once I am at home

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Nick Howitt wrote:

    I am not sure why you are iterating over $LANIF. I think this will exclude any $CUSTOM_LAN which is in $HOTIF. Do you just want:Good point, I had the same thought when I was coding this. But it seems that the LAN iteration is including the HotLAN?


    I am including my log, ens224 is configures as my HotLAN

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    I have a standalone server running Home Assistant with a feature that allows me to https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/emulated_roku/" target="_blank"> emulates a Roku appliance for my Harmony Hub to discover and include in its activities for running customized scripts.
    My UPNP discovery needs seem to be covered (Thanks to Nick and MiniUPNP) when I run my server without a firewall. Since this server is running in the HotLan. I would prefer to enable the firewall but I have had some difficulties figuring out what ports below are needed to allow the Harmony Hub to reach the emulated Roku device

    I tried to allow in UDP port 1900 but was not successful at penetrating the firewall. Any suggestions to what ports are needed for the discovery to work.and reduce the security vulnerabilities.

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    I added a few modification to the miniupnp service to fit my customization needs (/etc/miniupnpd/init_clearos.sh)


    The customization requires that you add the parameter CUSTOM_LAN to /etc/miniupnpd/miniupnpd_clearos.conf

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh replied to a discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    Hello Nick, Very nice to see heard from you. You had a good suggestion about the IP Settings but I do not believe miniupnp likes the idea?

  • Philippe Eveleigh
    Philippe Eveleigh started a new discussion, UPNP HOTLAN access only

    UPNP HOTLAN access only

    I have been reading about UPNP vulnerabilities and I can see issues with the protocol. I was wondering what is the best approach to mitigate the risks. My network runs with virtualized servers and can be configured with as many LAN's and/or HotLAN's that I wish to have, I also have VLAN capabilities across my Switches and WIFI AP's.. For this setup (Home) I would prefer to only use one gateway.

    I was thinking possibly moving all the appliances that uses UPNP to the HOTLAN and if needed open the ports to the appliances that require access to the LAN or would it be equivalent to have a second LAN setup for these appliances? It would be less work running the appliances on a second LAN but I am not sure if the vulnerability includes the traversal to other LAN'S? I believe that would be unlikely but not sure? Anyone's input would be appreciated.

    What would be the best approach to the modification of CLearOS miniupnp for the above? Would it be to modify miniupnpd.conf permission rules? For the HOTLAN approach: modify the permission rules or exclude manually the LAN in the configuration file: init_clearos.sh ?

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